Military Service Pay (MSP)
7th CPC Proposals with Regard to Military Service Pay
Proposals with Regard to Military Service Pay : Military Service Pay (MSP) paid to defence forces personnel is based on the recommendations made by the VI CPC and constitutes a distinct aspect of the emolument structure of the defence forces personnel. Prior to the III CPC defence service officers were paid a ‘Special Disturbance Allowance’, which in the III CPC was merged into the pay scale thereby providing an ‘edge’ vis-à-vis their civilian counterparts. The recommendations of the IV and V CPCs brought in the Rank Pay for officers in the ranks from Captain to Brigadiers. The VI CPC recommended the MSP and it was granted, in addition to select rank of officers, to all Lieutenants, JCOs/ORs and Military Nursing Service Officers (except Major Generals).
The Services, while presenting their case for Military Service Pay, have drawn attention to its historical basis viz., the special conditions of military life (as compared to normal civilian employment) which include disadvantages such as the liability to danger, being subject to higher levels of discipline, separation from home and family, turbulence and the shorter span of employment. In justifying their demands for MSP the Services have pointed to the intensity of commitments of the Defence Services in combating proxy war, operations along the Line of Control, disaster relief, aid to civil authorities, protection of our assets in the high seas, security of our air space, United Nations (UN) obligations and out of area contingencies.
To make their case for Military Service Pay the Services have also referred to (a) nature of the job- job security; career prospects; degree of autonomy; restriction of fundamental justifys; training; adventure and travel (b) after effects of the job- threat to life; hours of work; leave; separation from home and family; turbulence; effect of continuous exposure to Report of the Seventh CPC 129 Index hazardous situations; isolation and deprivation and (c) social aspects of the job- individual justifys; stress at work; support to personnel and families.
The Defence Services have made the following demands:
i. MSP be granted to all officers and all JCOs/OR of the Defence Services at graded rates.
ii. MSP granted must be distinguished from the ‘edge in starting pay’.
iii. MSP be considered for annual increments and
iv. MSP for MNS officers be granted at 70 percent of the rate proposed for equivalent rank of Defence Service Officers.
Analysis and Recommendations
As regards some of the circumstances listed by the Services to advance their case such as restriction of fundamental justifys, separation from home and family; turbulence; effect of continuous exposure to hazardous situations; isolation and deprivation, threat to life; hours of work; leave, individual justifys; stress at work; support to personnel and families, career prospects; degree of autonomy do affect defence service personnel in varying degrees but are by no means unique only to them. Many of the circumstances listed could, in varying degrees, be applicable to personnel in Central Armed Police Forces as also in certain circumstances to civil posts. Further risk and hardship, as brought out by the Services, are being compensated by way of specific Risk and Hardship Allowances.
The Commission has however, taking note of the unique aspects of their role, taken a conscious decision that that Military Service Pay will be admissible to the Defence forces personnel only. In Chapter 6.1 the rationale for payment of MSP to the defence forces personnel has been enunciated.
The recommendations of the Commission regarding the rate of MSP as applicable to the Service officers, MNS officers and JCOs/ORs has been detailed in Chapter 5.2. The revised rates per month being recommended by the Commission are Rs.15,500 for officers, Rs.10,800 for Military Nursing Service Officers, Rs.5,200 for JCOs/ORs and Rs.3,600 for Non Combatant (Enrolled) in the Air Force. The recommendations of the Commission with reference to other demands relating to MSP are discussed in the succeeding paragraphs.
This Commission has received several requests from various entities, notably the CAPFs, for grant of a pay akin to the MSP. The Commission has taken note of these demands as also the contention of the Services. The very fact that various segments of government employees continue to raise this demand suggests that there is need to examine, re-assess and spell out conclusively what exactly the Military Service Pay seeks to compensate.
The Commission, after careful consideration of the matter, notes that there are exclusive elements that distinguish the Defence forces personnel from all other government employees. The intangible aspects linked to the special conditions of service experienced by them set them apart from civilian employees. Defence forces personnel are expected to conduct full spectrum operations in operational environments which are characterised by extreme complexity and may include force projection outside India’s Report of the Seventh CPC 130 Index territorial boundaries. Defence forces personnel are trained for war like situations with highly sophisticated war machinery. They have to keep themselves posted in modern warfare. The military institutions are a key symbol of national pride. Further, the superannuation of defence personnel, particularly Other Ranks (ORs) at a younger age, is also a factor that has been considered. The Commission has therefore taken a conscious decision that the Military Service Pay, which is a compensation for the various aspects described above and for the edge historically enjoyed by the Defence Forces over the civilian scales, will be admissible to the Defence Forces personnel only.
Rate and Application of MSP : The Commission has taken note of the demand for graded rates of MSP, as a percentage of pay in the pay band and grade pay, sought by the Services. These have been sought for five distinct categories viz., Non Combatant (Enrolled), NCOs, JCOs, Lieutenant to Colonels and for Brigadiers and above. Additionally for the Nursing Officers a separate rate of MSP has been sought. In effect the Services are seeking six rates of Military Service Pay for distinct categories as against the existing four.
The Commission has noted that the existing rates of MSP applicable to the defence personnel is Rs.1,000 per month for Non Combatant (Enrolled), Rs.2,000 per month for JCOs/ORs, Rs.4,200 per month for Nursing Officers and Rs.6,000 per month for the Service Officers. MSP is reckoned as Basic Pay for purposes of Dearness Allowance, House Rent Allowance as also in the computation of pension.
The Commission, having taken a clear view on the intended purpose that the MSP should compensate, does not find merit in creating additional categories of personnel for the grant of MSP. If anything the superannuation of personnel at a relatively younger age is a fact that affects the NCOs the most and therefore a stratification between them and JCOs will be to the relative disadvantage of NCOs. In respect to Officers also stratification into two groups viz., Lieutenant to Colonels and Brigadiers and above is not recommended by the Commission. Such a stratification would be particularly disadvantageous to Short Service Commissioned Officers who serve the Defence Forces for a limited period. It is also notable that in another context the Services have emphasised in their Memorandum that the conditions of service for Short Service Commissioned Officers needs to be improved. A differentiation in as suggested within the officers, for the purposes of MSP, would in the case of Short Service Commissioned Officers, serve to have the opposite effect. The Commission therefore does not see any merit in disturbing the existing structure of grant of MSP at slab rates for four categories.
Applicability of MSP : A demand has also been made that MSP be granted to all officers. Currently MSP is paid up to the level of Brigadiers. The IV, V and VI CPCs, on examination of the issue, granted Rank Pay/Military Service Pay up to the level of Brigadier. Superannuation of personnel at a relatively younger age is one of the important considerations being laid down by this Commission for the grant of MSP. Major General and equivalent
officers and those above them retire at 58 or beyond, thus serve for periods comparable, with their civilian counterparts. Having regard to all these factors the Commission is of the view that the existing application of MSP up to the level of Brigadier is appropriate and does not call for a review.
Report of the Seventh CPC 131 Index MSP to be distinguished from ‘Edge’: The V CPC, after deliberating on the issue of Military Service Pay, did not recommend granting it. It recommended continuance of all existing concessions and also recommended an edge in the starting pay scale. The VI CPC introduced the Military Service Pay for all Officers up to the level of Brigadiers, without reducing the existing concessions. The VI CPC went on to state upfront that MSP constitutes the ‘edge’ being provided to the defence forces personnel over civilian pay scales. This Commission taking note of the evolving pay structure of the defence forces personnel and what has been averred by the VI CPC is in agreement with it and is of the view that MSP is the ‘edge’ being provided to the defence forces personnel.
MSP to MNS Officers : The Commission has taken note of the proposals of the Defence Services and has recommended a separate rate of MSP for Military Nursing Service Officers. The rates of MSP for Military Nursing Service Officers have been revised by a factor of 2.57 from the existing ?4,200 per month to ?10,800 per month. The revision factor is identical to what is being recommended in the case of Service officers.
Reckoning MSP : The Commission has received a demand from the services for considering MSP for purposes of annual increments. The Commission recommends that MSP shall not be reckoned for regulating (a) House Rent Allowance (b) Annual Increment and (c) Composite Transfer Grant.
Jyotirmoy Das says
Rules and regulation in defense service is regulated by all commission officers over non commission officers. Now who will bell the cat. All ministers in any party will listen from officers. Neutral men required to maintain. They should not attend any party. Everything will go smoothly.
Swapan Chatterjee says
Army welfare Association should invest in private sectors and give employment to exservucemen
A soldier wth less service has more rosk of life
Why MSP not given to soldiers below 15 years of service
JCOs/OR not getting any justice from Modi government. They will give welfare to officers not JCOs/OR.
Ashok Kumar Pati says
Officer’s of Defence Service thinks themselves something great.
They never wanted JCO’S / OR’S to be benefited.
In this case they have not done something new.
It is in their D N A.
It is like the British Period. Nothing changed.
HONOURABLE P M / Defence Minister should look in to it.
Vikram singh says
Jawn sab sa aaga rahata ha 24 ghanta duty to m s pay ve ak hona chaya
Ex. Hav/Clk Appu says
I have resigned from service on 01.01.2007 but MSP (1000) did not get along with Service Pension. I am asking about when the arrys to be issued. If there is any chance to get the same.
My Solute for a jawan ..he is the person only who desreve it. Be morally up . You are the heros . No matter not getting a good payment , a good status and a good chair. The whole country are depends upon you.
A K Sahu says
When ,increase msp will be implemented by govt .why it is delayed? Will be implemented are not .doubt fully case may seen.
P Josh says
Who says MSP will be increased ?. The govt and our bada babus sitting in Delhi are not going to give any justice to PBOR. Don’t dreaming about hike in rate of MSP.
AK Mandal, Ex NB Sub Clk AMC says
Revised msp ie, 50 percent of 10400 to pensioners is not paid to esm, the reason must be told by the auth.
MSP is a pay granted to Military Personnel only keeping in view of their adverse working environment, hazardous life, risky working schedule and other difficulties of environment of work place. Difficulties gravity faced from. Jawan to officers are same, everywhere offers are in better living and working environment than jawans, then why this parity and discrimination in MSP. There is no justified reason for granting more msp to Offr than jawans. It is biased and faulty that is why it is challenged in the court, and court directed the Govt and defence to look into the matter to settle grievance & take justified action to resolve the matter otherwise petitioner will be free to approach court to get justice in this matter. Every concerns must resolve this serious issue at the earliest.
P Josh says
…What has been happening in case of MSP is gross injustice to PBOR for years, . and the 7th CPC too ignored the due pay fooling the PBOR.
Umesh Reshamiya says
Myself also telling this is a wrong decision taken by 7th cpc team..
The main role and work is always done by jawan ranks even whole night and day santry duty is given by jawans so y this huge difference in msp between the officer and jawan..
And one more thing is the huge msp given to MNS y y y? What jawans doing less work to compare to mns. MNS done only 8hours duty in Air condition rooms but Jawan doing 24 hours duty without rest and taking bullets in their body first, so y this difference
Mr MODI ji please please please explain and sanction MSP equal to JAWAN ranks
P Josh says
Gross injustice to PBOR. Why there should be difference in rate of MSP, when all the military personnel are equally exposed to risk and danger for being in the armed force ?….
Sk dubey says
Jco rank have degraded by this goverment in about msp.a jawan who is under tarinning getting same msp as a sm get msp.all allowances are same in field area jawan & jco.but mns & officer getting more.i think no need of jco in indian army because jawan & jco are counting not seperately.
Officer ko itna msp Sirf or Sirf signature Karne aur Ac me bath kr Kursi torne k lie milta h mere hisab se Jo officer office holder h unhe msp nahi milna chahie. Main Kam to Jawan krta h hr jagah hr Kam Jawan krta h to msp Jawan ka jyda hona chahie me aplog se request krta hu ki is bare me soche n kosis kiya jay
N A Khan says
Can a bullets hit only officers not Chi or jawab. So why huge difference in msp.why Mr Modi ye Kya h.please level this for all .
Ghan shyam says
MSP should be equal to all combatant and it should be only for combatant not for supporting groups. If it Will be for supporting groups than all civilian can support country in different way
HAV/CLK .GANGADHARAN T says
Hav Gangadharan (ASC) RTD
MSP must be same to all Ranks we are all working in the Army Then what reason the MSP is in deference It must be same to each and every soldiers. Pay is separate it must may be def . but This M S P is a Common factor ,so this is is to all in equal if it is 1000 rs only ,then only I my self welcome.
Ie the implementation must be same to all OR/JCO/Officer this is honitoriam those who worked in the defence
P Josh says
What is done by the govt and 6th and 7th CPC in the case of MSP is gross injustice to PBOR. We, the pensioners, must unite nationally to get same rate of MSP at par with officers.
suresh kumar says
MSP to be equally to be paid to all ranks in the Army. MSP rate for MNS is 10800 pm is not not required.. Military soldiers is very hardworking in the field. Govt is requested to increase the MSP for soldiers is essential required and fundamental right
Ghan Shyam says
I am Esm from Army I would like to share my thoughts about MSP as we know during British Administration other ranks were Indian so Britisher does not want to keep up life style of Indian soldiers. It is very shameful our government because iare also follows the same pattern. It is the responsibility of govt to protect the rights of SOLDIERS. As per my views MSP should be equal to all ranks in the Military and all allowances should also equal to all ranks. Can any one say that officers spend their life more difficult than soldiers in the Army. We know they get more benefits during service as well as after retirement. It is injustice with soldiers. Some amendment are required in Army Act because they give more rights to officers PBOR have no rights. At present officers are misusing the ARMY Act. No one can demands for their rights. It is the responsibility of govt to look into the Army Act and make necessary amendment to delegates the rights to Soldiers. Jai hind.
All benefits are directly goes 2 officers in the army , they does not want 2 equal MSP .
It is same 4 army .i spot and raise voice4 equal MSP becouse it is justice.4 all army .
We all know about msp military service pay.. And in salary govt will divide the military. (officers, jcos, OR) but we all are military so Why the govt are divided as, is a shame. The govt will needed to get think twice. Because OR and JCO also military not only officer so MSP will be equal for the military personnel.. Thank you
N,R,P, Rao says
MSP IS FULLY JUSTIFIED. IT MUST BE ADDED TO THE BASIC PAY IN THE PENSIONS.
People here are just querying about their arrears and pensions etc …let me clear you , this portal is only informative about pay commission and have not any links about the query system of defence . So please don’t mention your ser no/ army no to expect any response .
9212456H Ex-Hav Sadasivan Pillai PK says
On 28/12/2017 I heared that MSP and HRA etc has been allowed for Ex OROP pensioners also and and increase in pension by 6% . Kindly intimate me trough my given
email address . I am an Ex-solder attended 1971 indo-pak war in frontage area with MAHAR REGIMENT and disabled by50%.
Rajesh Patel says
I want to say shortly what is meaning of MSP all knows well so that I want to say same thing one man at Army it’s mean soldier then why is difference between unity
SN Ojha says
MSP to be given to equal to all ranks. Basic pay have already been given as per their ranks. Not required to be given MSP as per their ranks. I suggested to the govt to finalizing the MSP as the equal to all ranks.
Balbinder Singh says
I think MSP equal for all rank because all the members of the Army. Govt also gives variation in basic pay
I think government is also mingled with officers they don’t have want to increase the map ,sorry this is our India.
Every one knows that JCO’s and OR’s are the sufferers in defence. No one understand their problems. Officers are thinking about their self only they don’t have any time to think the welfare of lower ranks. They merge the JCO’s and OR’s in in group. What a word PBOR. Why the officers are not included in same group. In my opinion MSP is the same for the all serving personnel.
Jitendra Kumar says
What Santos has expressed it is 100% correct and it’s very good for the government to look after the welfare of defence officers only and not to bother about other ranks.
Why we are lovely pm
Military service pay of each rank should be equal. The pay is being disbursed by the Govt for military duty deploy in far flung and high consurgent area. Hence there should not be differ in the military service pay.
rp singh says
i think govt is unable to do the justification for military service pay(MSP) in armed forces for JCO and other ranks due to their lack of interest towars lower ranks and biased towards commissioned officer like britishrule.govt also forgets that they are in power due to support of majority people not muthi ver commission officer.lastly court will justify and come for rescue.thanks to this govt for pro rich,pro higher class,thus pro commission officer who are new group of land lord after indepe’dence.if govt so honest why cant amend armed forces act which is too old ,faourable to only commissioned officer and shadow of british rule slavery.
7 cpc recommendations.646017 Sgt Prakasham date of joining Air Force 11.11.1974 date of discharge
01.12.1989.where my pension is fixed.
Sir, l have been released from my air Force service on completion of 15 yrs and 20 days of service on 01.12.1989. according to 7 cpc what would my pension. Any arrears would be expected.
Man mohan singh says
What Santos has expressed it is 100% correct and it’s very good for the government to look after the welfare of defence officers only and not to bother about other ranks.
You are asolutely right Sant . Officers are worried about only welfare of their own cadre.what benefit were given to jcos and nco by nonimplementig of 7cpc with central civil employees ?Who were benefitted by dcesions announced on 4 May 2017 by Honble PM and FM? Govt must have atleast increased MSP of JCOs because this rank is future of NCOs .But govt do not see any merit in it and NCOs are happy,
I am not understood whereas jcos pay band was started from 9300 asper 6th cpc why msp was given equal to Sep whereaz all the allowances in field are separate for jco. Today’s officer are fighting for themselves only they are not worry about jco/or at all. This is disgusting scenario and our govt is also not looking this disparities. This is because we are not able to raise our voice at any platform and so called selfish offer are representing our rights. This should be stopped. This time.e also no gain to pbor only to offer. Very demoralizing situation. Shameful on act of our so called representative.
The Disparity In Military Service Pay For JCOs/OR
Hike of the MSP for officer indicates partiality towards the officers rank. When officer, and Jawan/JCOs are working in the same atmosphere then what is the requirement of tripple difference in Military Service Pay. We are (Jawan/JCOs) not asking the difference in the pay and allowances but minimum MSP can be same as we all are working in same weather and condition, living out and alone from their families, ie children, father mother and relatives. Government is making fool all the Jawan/JCOs till date by celebrating festivals with them in borders. Central Govt not seeing the actual problem of the armed forces personnels. The disparity in MSP for Jawan/JCOs and so called Military Nursing Officers could have been calculated better if the members of 7th Pay commission had visited and checked the reality of working conditions of all the categories on the ground. The MNS offrs who got the approval of MS Pay the double the rate of JCOs/OR, are rarely in the field, whereas a Jawan/JCOs is spending most of his service life in the field. Have any one ever heard a MNS casualty in Field ? Jawan/JCOs of Nursing trades have to do the job of nursing along with that of a soldier. We think that the recommendation makers must be having a colonial/ feminist mindset. Please ponder over it.
We are challenging the decision made by the Central government/MOD on the decision of MSP. Is their any Jawan/JCOs or any equivalent ranks representative in the pay commission board for recommending the pay scale of Armed Forces personnel. Our Govt at this present time also continuing the tendency adhered by the British in India. Keeping away the actual personal from their mandatory requirements. But our government is doing this by manipulating the rules framed by Britisher. It shows the government is doing to lay down the morale of armed forces personnel except officers rank. Later this will reflect in many ways, on the moral of troops. Jawan/JCOs of all three wings of Armed Forces angry with the step-motherly treatment meted out to them by the Central Pay Commissions , which they feel largely pander to the interests of the Armed Forces Officers. The Jawan/JCOs have demanded their representation on the Pay commission committee at MOD level to address their long-pending pay and pension “anomalies”. Veteran B B Singh, in his capacity as the National Coordinator of the “Voice of Ex Servicemen Society (All India Movement of JCOs/ NCOs/ORs) ” ,has written to defence minister that the Jawan/ JCOs of Army, Navy and Air Force ,should get representation on the pay commission board at MOD level since our Armed Forces Officers may not be able to fully grasp the unique challenges of Jawan/JCOs.It is to be noted that life is invaluable to everyone and discriminatory treatment in this regard is highly inhuman.Let us hope that some sense of humanity will prevail on the political junta to do away with this inhuman treatment given to soldiers of the country by bureaucracy.
The Commission has clubbed the MSP of jawans and JCOs at Rs 5,200, but the demand was to upgrade it to Rs 10000 for JCOs which has not yet been implemented. In fact officers are fighting for their benefits only and it is an another example
JCOs are definitely the middle level management people and they are playing a vital role in the prestigious Indian armed forces. In fact they are the back bone and strong chain between higher level and lower level in the armed forces. Announcing MS Pay for JCOs/OR just half the rate as admissible for MMS is really a shame. In fact, officers are fighting for their benefits only and its a cristal clear example. If seperate MSP is not given it will have ripple affects and adversely affect their morale as well.
ashok kumar says
JCO is the middle level management. They are back bone and strong chain between higher level and lower level in armed forces. If seperate MSP is not given it will have ripple affects.
Respected sir you gave to all central govt employs to Some help….. But we r defence we hops ( our families) to some improvements in our salary. But Indian defence is last in our people
Gurbax Singh says
MSP up to 80℅ may be granted to paramilitary and ICG personnel as their Life is more though than defence personal
BS Bhati says
For calculating pension under orop scheme holding
Rank seniority shall be considered up to 20years service to keep the status of early promotion based on qualified for the rank.
BS Bhati ExNavy.
N suman says
In Defence there should not be any pay differences it generate the quarrel between them which is seen now a day. Better provide rank allowance rather than all same.
MSP should be equal to all rank e.g SEP,JCO & Officers. What a Joke MNS approved with 10500/- MSP but SEPOY who is directly fighting with enemy granted only 5250/- MSP
MSP should be equal for all like ORs, JCOs, MNS and offers. If MSP will be gtd position’s wise, why JCOs and Jawans will grant equal. It should be different. Please look into matter and implement accordingly
MSP should be equal to all the rank up to col. And why MSP to nursing officer. They are not even touch rifle.
MSP is being granted on the basis of role of Armd forces so MSP must be granted to all ranks till Col at equal rate as sepoy play hard and main role of defence.
JCO is prestigious rank one OR can achieve hence granting MSP equal to a jawan is jok and be looked into. JCO should be given Rs 10500 ad MSP to boost the morale and save hid dignity.
slab for msp of JCO’s and OR should be decided. jco always coordinate a tram for ADM and as well as for war. so it should be minimums level of MNS.
Swarn singh says
All persons in the service of the nation who matters in decision making and decision forcing on the Armed forces must realise that u cannot make fool of all the people all the time.everthing has its limits.discontetment brewing in the forces is not healthy for any one in this beloved country.afterall every one has to die one day.and those who had misused their authority will have pay one day.by clevrerly manuplating things for ur personal benefits is fraud on your own people who r suppose to be under ur care.
prashant kumar says
jawans are always looser in cpc as no representative from jawan. officers are only the representing for jawan as considered but infact they never towards the welfare of pbors as they are only interested for them self not for pbors. they never project better for pbors they are only interested for them. the msp should be equal for all from pbors to officers as it is for serving in military whereas pay are given as per rank then why msp differs it should be equal for all. also the X group pay was considered for annual increment in VIth CPC but it is abolished in VIIth CPC which is unjustified it should be considered for increment and other things as was in vith cpc. the action deeply demoralizing the troops and demoralizing the troops (jawan) will adversely affects the efficiency. it was expected from BJP govt for betterment of jawans but demoralizing with present on going things. this needs kind attention and resolving the issues at earliest to avoid demoralization and to provide justice.
Ex Veteran Sgt Anil Baranwal says
We ORs hoped a lot from Modi government. But on MSP case ORs are looser. This is the primary reason anumber ofbjawan in tri services leaving the job and Officers are becoming BOJH for defence services. Sena has to be jawan, for this reason jawan is sacrificing their job so that our military remain young always. But what about officers serving up to 57 years of age and wants full defence budget in their pocket. Same on them………
Ashutosh Awasthi says
This pay commission disappointed the PBOR now its result will be soon on ground soldiers in general duty got nothing from pay commission dont worry the government will be helpless to retain their soldier after completion of initial bond so there are a lot number of pensioners in compare to present status
7th CPC has declined hyke in pension to PBORs. Is it not adverse discrimination against the lower ranks in Armed Forces? Justice is denied to this category of Military Veterans. When they will get justice?
d n s says
This govt is least interested in welfare of employees. 7th cpc is its live proof.
Hon flt lt (RTC) Gr reddy says
Most unfortunate to say the 7cpc has done no home work regarding any point of cpc recommendations for example one is a non combatant than how he is eligible for Msp secondly what is men by jco he is a junior commissioned officer he is the back bone of the platoon he co ordinates the plans and operations one becomes jco after certain period of service training and performance based rank 7 cpc simply ignored the rather they never bothered to know the ground realities except simply relaying oh military hq and some ill equiped officers if commission says these all based on 6 cpc recommendations than why we an other cpc except take a figure like 1,2,3, lower groups pay to multiplied by 1middle groups by 2 top groups by 3 that’s all than why to waste public money on cpc jai hind
As a serving person in military that MSP should be same for all ranks. B’coz all r doing military service. There should not be any difference as difference shows in basic pay and grade pay.
So there should not be any difference in map. Thanks
Jaipal Nehra says
MSP should be same for all. There should be no discremation between Officers and PBOR since both doing duty for the country at anywhere and anytime
d yadav says
Msp,FD allowance and snow allowance should be same for all like offer,jco and pbor
Raj Narayan Rej says
IN OROP FOR NB SUBEDER AND EQUIVALENT IN X GROUP, PENSION BASIC HAS BEEN FINALIZED FROM 15 To 20 YRS OF QUALIFYING SERVICE AS SAME. No of YEARS of EXPERIENCE in the Same RANK Has not been CONSIDERED. PERSON Has WORKED 7 YEARS Or 3 YEARS In the Same RANK With the same QUALIFYING Service YEARS ARE DRAWING SAME PENSION. NO Of INCRIMINATE In the Same RANK Has Also To Be CONSIDER
Raj Narayan REJ
All pay and allowances are different for Officers, JCOs and OR except MS pay. MS pay is equal for JCOs and OR. If seperate ms pay can be given to officers. Then why separate MS pay can not be given to JCOs. Higher rate of ms pay should be given to jcos
Rajesh Kumar Sharma says
I recommended to Govt to approved MS pay for all ranks same as serving in fd or peace by same. Jawan not geting facility but officers provided more facility either in peace area or snow bound area whereas jawans are doing duty any of the area continues in fd or snow bound area.
I want to all details of pay scale of PBOR in 7th pay commission also allowance pls send the reply earliest,
I was promoted to the Paid Rank of MWO, with effect from 01 Dec 1994 and got discharged from IAF on 31 January 1995, on completion of the engagement period. Under the then prevailing conditions, as I have not served the requisite months of service required for the Pension eligible for the Rank of MWO, I was granted the WO pension.
The VI Pay commission has stipulated in its Annexure – III as referred to at Para 16.3 of MOD letter No.17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Pol) dated 11.11.2008 for the PERSONNEL
BELOW OFFICER RANK – ARMY & EQUIVALENT IN NAVY & AIR FORCE, TABLE – 1 : SERVICE PENSION, has mentioned :
– Rank means rank last held and not the rank for which pensioned-
This clearly indicates that a person is entitled for the pension of the Rank last held and not the rank for
5. From the above, it is claear my pension is to be considered for the Rank of MWO instead of present pension of WO.
Annexure – III as refered to at Para 16.3 of MOD letter No.17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Pol) dated 11.11.2008 PERSONNEL BELOW OFFICER RANK – ARMY & EQUIVALENT IN NAVY & AIR FORCE
UNDER TABLE – 1 : SERVICE PENSION
1- Rank means rank last held and not the rank for which pensioned.
2- PBOR retained in service beyond the maximum period of service during emergencies from 26.10.62 and 4.8.71 and Operation Parakaram minimum pension has been shown upto 28 years.
3- Defence Security Corps (DSC) pensioners belonging to Clerical Cadre and General Duty Cadre shall be paid on the basis of pension/family pension for Group ‘Y’ in respective rank of Army.
R VARUN KUMAR says
MSP is not required for MNS Officers because they are not serving in any field/HAA areas. it is very stupidity and foolishness recommendations of Rs 10,800 for MNS officers. It is recommended that MSP may be abolished or decide to equal for all ranks
MSP for defence personnel should be more for ORS compare to officers
because bullet attack first to sepoy .MSP should not be given to MNS officers.please take it seriously.
Tum sare ho kis field se aur tum decide karo ge kisko kya milna chahiye.apne aukaat me raho..
DS Solanki says
Sir Sabhi band kar do koi allowance mat do tab bhi fauj seva karegi. Ekdum sure hai.fauji dil se to amir hota Hi hai.MSP band kar do. Risk allowance civilians ko Hi pay kro aakhir wo 8 ghante men 6 ghante duty karte hain aur fauji kya karta hai 24 ghante ka mehman hai duty ka isliye unhe pay six cpc men thi wohi rahne do
don’t give any allowances like MSP as they don’t do any job in the hospitals… stupid they are…
kendre N R says
7 pay katane hua hai kiya batayegaye email karan [email protected]
Jo ye MSP h yo Sabi Milletry Person (for all ranks ) Ko equeal hona chaye sabi ka udesh ek h
Gurcharan Singh says
Nice to read
MSP is applicable only those serve in field/CI Ops areas and it must be same for all ranks. Peace service pers not required MSP. There is no need to give for MNS. Nothing do anything MNS.
sir all defence personnel are subjected to equal risk factor. if examined ORs are in more risk as they are the people who immediately meets terror or border. they are always higher risk than an officer. officer are provided with same facilities in peace of in field. however jawans are struggling their life in cold, rain and sun day and night. is it good justice to made difference in MSP. Are MNS are at higher risk than a jawan in the border. pls take this for your kind consideration.
dinesh chauhan says
Is life risk more to officer then jawan in defence? If not, then there should not be any difrence in MSP bitween Jawan & Officers.
Hfl gr reddy(retd) says
What is the logic and scientific method followed while fixing MSP may be explained to the defence personal
ROHIT Kumar says
7 th pay hame nahi chahiye agar dena hai to military service pay aur fields allowance same karo please
please pu record of your last years leave.the one who claims ki chutti nai gaya ek sall se.kahan posted ho baraf mein yeah bhi batao .aur fighting arm mein ho ya supply depot mein chor.kahan tak padhe ho.
RAJAGOPAL BALAKRISHNAN says
It is very shameful to say the human value is not considered by the pay commission. Officers/JCOs/ORs are equalized as far as the MS Pay is concerned. More struggling cadre is Jawan, only and not officer and MNS Cadre. The honorable prime minister intervention in this matter is highly appreciated.
Manmohan Singh says
Sir MSP should be equal being in field area you should also can see that many times soldier’s (jawans) are always injured or die and officer have enjoy just picnic so that MSP should be equal. This factor have discourage to all jawans situated in highly field area.
ajay kumar says
Sir MSP should be same for those who are in the combat either an officer or an OR because those performing tuff duty they get less and those enjoying they get more . This is not fare for the jawans.
manoj kumar says
P M modi sir MSP aur allowance saman hona chahiye.hum jawan log berf mai rat rat bhar duty dete hai . offers log to field ho ya piece perday partiya karai hai . field ya piece her jagah familie rakhtai hai. Hum jawan logo ko ek ek sal bad chutti milti hai.aur mns to pieces area mai duty krti hai. 7th cpc commeity se request krta hu ki offers aur jawan ka equal msp aur allowance hona chahiye.
manoj kumar says
Msp aur allowance equal hona chahiye
LAL SINGH says
Sir, ye baat bilkul sahi hai ki jawan adhik paresani se rahta hai aur officer chahe field ho ya piece ho usko har jagah par sari suvidha milti hai. Isliye field allowance and MSP officer ka JCO/OR ke equal hona chahiye because officer aur PBOR ki pay scale bahut different hai. Kam se kam field allowance and MSP toh equal honi hi chahiye. Yeh sochne wali baat hai ki ek OR and officer ki pay mein bahut difference hai jo ki galat hai.
Thanks to Modi Sir and 7th CPC committee
Manoj barik says
Definitely MSP should not be given in a different rank wise. It should be same for all. In basic pay and grade pay it is depend upon their irrespective qualifications. In CIOPs /Loc /high altitude areas soldiers are given duty in a hazardous climate while a officer sit inside the air conditioning system office.but the MSP is 3 times higher than jco/ors… The 7th CPC should again consider on this issue…. Jay hind
s kumar says
MSP Har ek Rank ki equal honi chahiye CI and fd loc me jitne PBOR rahate utna koi nahi rahata hai .MNS ONLY piece stn par service karte hai. jabki ek sainik teen-teen saal lagatar BARF/50 c digree temp me service karta H.Indian Army iske liye kabhi strike nahi karegi ki hamari MSP kum H .Lekin uski anter -atma se puchoge to uska Dil satisfied kabhi ,nahi hoga.So I request FM saheb and PM Modi saheb and CPC committee se ki es jara dubara (again) vichar kare,Dhnyawad…
Well said Vimal Singh jee. The Government is doing extremely good work to keep the differences between the officers and men. No officer from the forces given comment on this as they are all selfish and never worried about their sub ordinates. God can only help the JCOs and NCOs.
Hfl gr reddy(retd) says
Msp is granted to military service personal taking account into the hostile in friendly life risk working conditions a pbor is expected and working in the Se conditions so what is the most granted to a pbor compared to a military nurse who is Woking under around and well away from risk zone
All person serving in Military should get same rate of MSP, there should not be disparity because all are working in same place and same condition and getting MSP in different rates. Officers are getting Basic pay for the higher rank and qualification. But there should not be any difference in MSP. I request the Govt to consider please.
Thanks govt for making this difference andher nagri chaupat raja taka sher bhaji taka sher khaajaa.
In defense all personnel are facing same hazardous condition . they are take risk for their life
So don’t make difference in msp for officer and low rank soldier
In defense all personnel are facing same hazardous condition . they are take risk for their life
So don’t make difference in msp for officer and low rank soldier
vimal singh says
Govt accept that MSP depends on life risks & hazardous condition, so, Govt thinks that life of a officer is in danger at LOC & other places. However, a JCO/ OR enjoy their lives as heaven on LOC/ other places in comparison to officers and MNS. Moreover, no MNS posted in field hospital or unit deploy on LOC or CI ops but they get more MSP than JCOs/OR. WELL DONE GOVT keep it up with ur justification.
rajesh singh says
msp and risk all should be equal (sepoy to gen)
BS Chhina says
1. MSP and Risk pay should same for all ranks (Sepoy onward)
2. Time scale promotion for PBOR, it was prospond in 1979.
Note: It promoting to rank is not possible, Pay scale shall be given as soon one is due for promotion and scale upgradation should continue.
Before transferring him to release center, he/she shall be promoted to the rank for which pay scale have been achieved ( Within 18 of service every one should be promoted t0 Sub Maj/ MCPO-1/Master Warrant officer)
rajeev kumar says
Msp should be equal for all ranks.
V P Singh says
The MSP should be at par for all the ranks in Defense. Considering the risk as flying pay allowances. It may be reduced to the senior level officers who are posted in Command and air headquarters only. The increase of MSP for Soliers is very little and not acceptable…
DO JUSTICE WITH POOR AND INNOCENT JAWANS OF PARAMILITARY WHO SECRIFICE THEIR LIFE EVERY DAY FOR COUNTRY ALSO
ममता नेहरा says
जब विधायकों का वेतन 400 प्रतिशत बढाया जा सकता है तो हमारे देश के जवानों का वेतन तो इनसे ज्यादा बढना चाहिए, क्योंकि हमारे सैनिक विधायकों से कठिन ड्यूटी देते हैं और वो भी विपरीत परिस्थितियों में, जिनके भरोसे पूरा देश चैन की नींद सोता है उनका वेतन बढना ही चाहिए।
Sir, our demand about the MSP was to make it equal for all defence personnel. Can anyone justify this difference at any level?This is the most disappointing recommendation of 7th CPC for the largest part of defence forces(ORs/JCOs). To differentiate officers and ORs there are so many other headings….please do understand the gravity of our demands. Otherwise there was no need of this most disgusting & disappointing pay commission.
Anil Kumar Sinha says
In recent news every Vidhayak increases salary hike of 400% and in another you see how our Indian Defence forces request for their salary why not Mr Kejriwal understood the situation of a Soldier who every time ready for sacrifice his life for Nation. Why soldier go for hunger strike why ?????????????????? Are soldier having not need of salary increases. Only soldier give his life for such types of MLA/MPs. Why every times we soldier request for needs.
Anil Kumar Sinha says
How government decided MSP to Nursing staff higher than a PBOR, on what basis, its very embarrassing its also effect to morale of every fauji, MSP is same for every fauji its includes officers, JCOs and OR. In war or any types of operations where defense personal deployed its not determine that rank structure, so please go through its depth before finalization.
Naveen Joshi says
Military Service pay should be equal to all ranks as the serving condition and military act is equally applied to all soldiers. As it is well said that a good soldier is a good General , hence no anomaly no differences please. Respected R.M and P.M Sir please take the justified decision in determining MSP for all the soldiers of Indian Army.
Girish Kumar says
MSP should be equal to all ranks, either a Offr/ JCO/ OR/ MNS. These proposals are very bad should be reviewed.
what is meaning of giving 10500/- MSP to Nursing Officer, could u calculate life risk or military risk for a nursing officer. who is serving in five star defence hospital for full tenure. Have u ever thought about the moral of fauji in india, almost 90% of fauji leaving job after completion of initial sign. Do justice with poor and innocent fauji. increase MSP at least 10000 to 12000 PM
Narnder Singh says
MSP should be equal to all the rank and it should not be above the rank of col and eqlnt. only those who are in field they are only entitlement at present 40% officer are seating in defence only for time pass above the rank of Lt Col eqlnt & above are due to time scale promotion
why are you creating difference between officer and jawan . when the jawan has doing most dangers dutes .but how can you understand because you also a officer. It is same to you
Sir, sub major of army equal with air force /Neval MCPO. But retaiment age not equal. Why
sk singh says
MSP SHOULD BE SAME FOR ALL RANKS COMBATANT MEMBERS.
R D Singh says
MSP must be same for all ranks of defence personnel as the risk factor is equal to all ranks and also difficulties in the various climatic conditions are faced equally.
Anoop singh says
Military. Service pay is equall same all rank risk is equall all rank
B S Rathore says
Difference in pay scale between different rks of armed forces is some how acceptable but how can a country who say democratic to herself will accept same in MSP ( value of difficulties/death).
Subash Dey says
MSP should be same in all rank. Agar MSP ka malab military service pay he to Sabi ko barbar mil na chahi ye please modi sir please. Bas itnahi kehena tha app se
Chander Lata says
Map as you call it as applicable only to army facing difficult conditions is same for all ranks different scale for different ranks though logical but it does create feelings of disparity therefore it could be merged into rank pay .
Rate of MSP may be reduced to lowest but it should be same for all defence personnel.
Please save NON COMMISSIONED RANKS from slave like life.
Sir, The only ray of hope for JCOs and ORs as getting equal MSP. Sir, Jawans and officers undergo the same level of difficulties as far as service conditions are considered. A bullet from across the border does not come as guided as towards are together for life and death so atleast in MSP they must be kept equal. I still have rays of hope from the honourable ones at top level.
Somarajan Nair says
The MSP proposed in the Pay commission is utter injustice towards the PBOR , who are the ground sufferer with stress and strain in accordance to their nature of duties. It is astonishing to observe that a Subedar Major who reaches to the highest position in rank and file at the service of 30 years or so with unpredictable experience and dedication made entitled MSP of Rs 5500/-, as par with a Sepoy, whereas a newly commissioned officer with no service hardness is entitled Rs 15500. An MNS whose nature of duties can not be compared to a combat soldier is also entitled Rs 10,500. The seventh Pay commission is also not given justice to the PBOR as in the past commissions. It will definitely demoralise the morale of PBOR and their conscious never permit to accept the pay commission.
Ex Sub Mohinder Singh Thakur says
Increasing the MSP of officers Rs 6000 to Rs 15500 and MNS officers Rs 4200 to 10800 is completely unjustified. The officers of the maximum services have never
take part in war and terrorist activities such as officers of ASC, AEC.CMP ,RVC including MNS so how they could included in life risk service. In other hands the
JCOs/OR of all services always paticipated in every movements such as war, terrorist activities and always servied in critical areas whereas the officers above
the rank of colonel never participated in the war and other critical situations. The MSP rates of JCOs/OR should be equal as the life risk is same for all.
kannan arivarasan says
msp ,if it is felt as edge between civil and army , then it should be around 25,000 pm for every body from non comb to sepoy till army chief and all army, navy and af . Then only other youngsters will join armed forces for that edge.15,500 for offrs and less for jco and jawans are not acceptable. Life is same for all,. enemy bullet is same for all irrespective of rank. May wisdom come to the govt while implementing it.
santhosh kumar s says
msp should be equally for officers, jcos and OR of armed forces
DS Solanki says
Military service pay should be same for all ranks because life risk equal for all ranks.
such partial things happening in free India…..uff cant even imagine, even after these many years of independence India ihas all d associate habits of colonialism. why the hell is the difference in MSP….if officer’s life is of more value, then get them the best insurance policy with more monthly premium…but not this discriminating mutiny stimulating conclusions. how can anyone think of such policies…..think of those jawans who has the same family and life of his too has the same importance. Indian authorities do not want to make India a free country where fellow citizens are to be treated fair. the slavery in the armed forces continues……………..
sp sharma says
you are playing a joke here, the level of partiality and disparity with regards to pay is really astonishing, if you want to give more pay to officers why you are taking MSP into consideration, you are exposed as 15500 for officers as MSP and for ORS it is only 5500, the MSP should be same for all rank as the risk is same for all rank, its shame on your part, u don’t have any mercy towards jawans, it would be mutiny one day and u will be responsible for that, u have shown ur true colours and brought such a partial pay commission and petty towards officers rank. shame shame Mr modi